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Finally a place to put down some roots!

Kari Greenaway: Real Estate - Other in Williamsport, PA

Pennsylvania you are a balm to my heart!

It was originally an E-Harmony match that brought me here (one that didn't last), but it was Pennsylvania and it's communities that kept me here. From seeing the Amish and their carriages to meeting local people. It's a slower pace than NH, but with the same beauty. The country is where I now call home. It's a beautiful farm in Cogan Station. What I enjoy the most is that within 20 minutes, I can have all the hustle and bustle that I want. I've noticed a genuineness about the people here. I'd never had what one would call a best friend until I moved here (and i'm 37). I just want to say Thanks to Pennsylvania for touching my heart like no other place in the U.S, and I look forward to meeting as many of you as possible!

God Bless

Kari L. Greenaway

Gas Leases and the Jed Clampet Effect

Melanie McLane: Real Estate Trainer in Williamsport, PA

"Come and listen to my story ‘bout a man named Jed, poor mountaineer, barely kept his family

fed." I can't get the theme song from "The Beverly Hillbillies" out of my head these days. What's putting

it there is all the hoopla and activity in Lycoming County (and Tioga, as well) over natural gas. The gas

lease folks have been diligently tracking down owners of land, trying to sign them up for leases. There are

rumors of large ‘signing bonuses' and royalty payments in excess of 15%. It has made our once quiet

county courthouse Recorder's Office a hotbed of activity, and there are rumors Mrs. Annabel Miller, the

Recorder of Deeds, actually had to tell some of these folks how to behave. (!) New computer terminals

were added; and the title searchers who work there all the time mutter about books being misplaced,

some say on purpose. All the gas company representatives are looking for the same thing-parcels of

land, the larger the better, which still have gas and oil rights intact. That in and of itself is interesting-the

title searches go back 150 years for this stuff, and I am told that on several parcels, the rights have been

sold or leased more than once. Whoops!

Why here in north central PA? Well, we sit on Marcellus black shale, which runs from the southern

tier of New York into West Virginia. According an article online from Penn State University, the Marcellus

shale could (optimistically) contain 516 trillion cubic feet of gas. The other attractive part of the Marcellus

shale is that there are fractures in it. The fractures allow drillers to drill vertically, but then branch off

horizontally, and this is considerably cheaper ($800,000 versus $3 million), according to PSU geoscientist

Terry Engelder. The article I found you can read as well, at: http://live.psu/edu/story/28116.

The big news locally, and of interest to you and me, is what it is doing to our real estate market.

There are rumors on top of rumors about lease prices, sale prices, estimates of royalties, etc. I can

affirm that I know of two sales that were upset at the last minute by an owner deciding maybe he didn't

want to transfer those rights. A parcel priced for $190,000 one day jumped in asking price to $5 million

after an oil and gas company rep talked to the owner. So, owners are sitting tight, preferring to gamble on

the future value, rather than sell today. Yet a broker friend in the Northern Tier asked my husband a

good question: "Has anyone actually seen someone with a big check from a gas company yet?" I haven't

personally; yet some reliable people I know claim to have. Brokers and appraisers with a grain of sense

are refraining from trying to value these rights; just last week I appraised a 40 acre farm for an estate.

Thankfully, the decedent had already leased the mineral rights-but I had told the executrix going in: "I

don't value minerals, gas, oil, or timber."

Of course, we are all optimistic. We'd love to have several Jed Clampets right here in our

backyard. The Mr. Drysdales of the region would be thrilled-they already are. Local banks, local law firms,

local stock brokerage companies are all busy offering seminars about gas leasing and how to handle new

found wealth. The attorneys have taken a page from the REALTOR® playbook ("When the market

changes, find another niche") and some who last year were divorce or elder care or criminal experts, this

year are gas lease experts. A full scale gas exploration and pumping operation could pump gas out of the

ground and money into the local economy. One rumor says there are plans to build a pipeline from here

to New York City, employing 30,000 people at $35 per hour and up-and once the pipeline is there, it will

pump for 100 years! Who knows? I don't pretend to be a geologist. I do know as a REALTOR® and an

appraiser, that we can't begin to estimate the effect on value of these things until the dust settles. We

won't know the value of these rights, as it affects market value, until we can observe parcels sold with and

without the gas and oil rights. Another appraiser friend has done some research and tells me

Pennsylvania law regarding oil and gas rights is light years behind other states; that here in PA you could

actually have the gas pumped from under your land, by a well located on an adjacent parcel, and get little

or no compensation. If you have a large tract, and you haven't signed a lease, I would say: "Do your

homework." It appears that this situation is just continuing to snowball, so you probably would not lose by

waiting. There are some owners who signed leases last year for under $1000 an acre who are now

watching their neighbors sign leases for $2500 an acre. As in any market, timing is everything.

SKIP THE KOOL-AID, GET THE FACTS!

Melanie McLane: Real Estate Trainer in Williamsport, PA

I was starting a class today when one of my students asked me: "Is it true that this market is the worst it's ever

been? There are agents in my office who have been in the business 20, 25 years, and they are saying this is the

worst they've ever seen the market." I said, unequivocably: "NO! This market is not the worst I've ever seen,

and it sounds like the agents you are talking about have been sitting down and 'drinking the Kool-Aid' with the

news media." With all due respect to the third estate, bad news sells; good news is a yawn (most of the time).

Additionally, trying to quantify the entire real estate market across the United States is like trying to give a

national forecast. What would you think if you turned on the weather, and the weatherman said: "It'll be cloudy

today, mostly sunny, high of 90, low of -10, showers likely, snow up to 4 feet, followed by freezing rain and

tornadoes." You'd think the guy was out of his mind! And you'd be right! Real estate markets are local in nature;

not only are they local, but within any given market area, there is usually a lot of diversity within that market.

My real estate students intinctively understand this when we talk about it, and I ask: "Do you have any price

ranges where you can't keep inventory? You still have more buyers than houses? What about another segment

of the market? Do you have a segment where sales are sluggish, because you have an oversupply?" They nod

in agreement, and here is the 'Aha!' moment--when I ask: "Do you have any sellers who have a house to sell

in that price range that is moving quickly...and they want to move into a price range where sales are more

sluggish?--it doesn't get any better than this--you get to sell in a sellers' market, buy in a buyers' market, and

finance at historically low interest rates." In my market--north central Pennsylvania, primarily Lycoming and

parts of Clinton Counties--are markets are not bad. In fact, they are nowhere near as bad as I have seen them

on other historic occasions. Some of our price ranges are saturated and have an oversupply; one of

the upper price ranges in Lycoming County has a three year plus supply listed. But, some price ranges have a

six to nine month supply listed; which, going into the spring, isn't that bad. So...don't sit down and drink

the Kool-Aid just because someone asked you to--check out your facts first, and then you be the authority

in your own market.