Realtors and residents met with the City Council last evening to address the City ordinance which forbids the use of directional signs advertising an "Open House" event. The current City Ordinance states:
Sec. 42-41. Location standards--Utility installations.
(a) The primary concern in the design and location of utility installations is protection of the right-of-way and the safety of the highway user. In all cases, full consideration shall be given to sound Engineering principles. (b) Where possible, all longitudinal underground utility facilities should be placed in an area within seven feet inside the outer edge of the right-of-way line except where potable water and sanitary sewers lie along the same side of the road, requiring a separation of ten feet between those utility lines. These, and other similar situations will be considered on a case by case basis. Above ground facilities should be placed at or close as practical to the right-of-way line. Under no condition shall a utilityinstallation interfere with the roadway storm drain system.
(c) Proposed location of poles, fire hydrants, water meters, telephone and cable boxes, etc., should take into consideration future road widening, sidewalk, storm drainage or other construction. Minimum guidelines for roadside recovery area are shown in the State of Florida Department of Transportation Manual of Uniform Minimum Standards for Design, Construction and Maintenance for Streets and Highways. Any deviation from those requirements require prior approval by the City.
(d) Water meter boxes and telephone boxes shall be installed flush with or below the ground. If installation must protrude to the extent such boxes may be a hindrance to drainage maintenance or mowing, they must be located within two feet of the right-of-way line whether their parallel line runs along the right-of-way line or not: Water meter boxes, telephone boxes or television cable boxes shall not be placed within the limits of a proposed or existing sidewalk, curb, gutter or bike path.
(e) No person shall place or maintain upon any City roadway any sign or signal bearing thereon any commercial advertising.
(Ord. No. 00-50, § 11, 9-19-00)
The City was reluctant to hear the arguments at first stating that it should have been scheduled for discussion prior to the meeting. The Council was then reminded that it was a discussion that was requested on July 11,2007 and was directed to just arrive and bring it up during the meeting.
Resdients also expressed their concens since Open House events are another possibility to sell their property and directions to drivers is very important. Other arguments included:
The City argued that changes to the current oridances may "open the road" to other sign use by other organizations either commercial or political. The City then decided that they would agree to meet with FCAR legal counsel to determine how rectify the current situation while still maintaining beautification standards and supporting local real estate sales.
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I guess garage sales are out also. Hawaii had the toughest sign laws in the nation. Political signs for years had to have someone holding them. After a group sign wave they had to take the signs home with them. Even then no one had a problem with open house signs.
This seems to be an ongoing battle with many of the cities. One of things that really amazed me is how they will enforce the laws when it comes to the real estate industry but any homeowner in our area puts up yard signs and directional signs and they seem to sit there forever without anyone bothering them. I have also seen many stickers attached to the backs of city owned road signs with advertising for FSBO companies and for investors who buy homes. Where do the lines get drawn for different individuals. Good on your sign struggles!
Kathy - this is so darn frustrating! I've kept count this year and so far I've lost 22 open house signs and just like everything else in our business, they're not cheap!
Recently, I had a code enforcement office in St. Augustine contact me(for the first time ever before throwing away my signs) because I had balloons on them. He said that he was warning me that if I used balloons again, I would recieve a $250 fee PER BALLOON! Crazy!
The worst part is "We Buy Houses" and "Free Online Dating" signs are up all over the place for days and weeks at a time. But thoughtfully placed open house signs can't be out for 2-3 hours without being snagged. Our industry is being picked on and that's the bottom line.
Randy,
Yes, we limit 'Gararge Sales" to 2 times per year for each resident and the same restrictions on driectional signs.
Jon,
The beautification of the area is a big part of the Ordinances, and I do agree. But small signs that are removed immediately after the event shouldn't be a big deal. Since they are being "policed" anyway, fine the offenders.
We'll have to see how it plays out here and I'll post that when the time comes so other areas can approach this issue if it comes up.
Kathy,
While I did not attend the meeting I did turn in directional sign requests. To me it seems like the best solution is the signs must have company name on them. Signs allowed from Friday night to Monday morning at which time any signs still left would incur a fine. I know there is a solution to this problem, hopefully we were heard.
Kevin,
I recommend watching the broadcast of the meeting on Channel 99 BrightHouse Saturday at 11am. There were some great points and the meeting really opened the doorway to a resolution.